I Feel Like I Missed A Fight I Could've Had Some Fun With (Warning: Awesome FWD .gifs. Lots of 'em.)

"KirkyV" (KirkyV) 01/11/2016 at 20:56 • Filed to: None

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pjhusa > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 21:08

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fite me m8

on second thought, don’t

thanks

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 21:09

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Oversteer in a FWD car seems so sad. You can’t drive through it like you can a RWD car, you just have to accelerate while the front drags the ass back into line and hope you didn’t lose too much speed.

It doesn’t seem like as much fun.

It’s like oversteer in a game with too much traction control, or a car with too much traction control. You can’t play with it, you’re just waiting for it to end so you can start regaining your lost speed.

Nauraushaun > pjhusa 01/11/2016 at 21:11

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no worries

djmt1 > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 21:17

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You should try it. Especially in something French, they are a particularly great at it.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 21:22

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Liftoff Oversteer

The closest thing I get to drifts ;_;

Nauraushaun > djmt1 01/11/2016 at 21:22

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But only the sporty ones, which are few and far between really.

I’ve been meaning to give it a shot in my girlfriend’s Lancer. But the damn thing is light as a feather. Every time you try to hustle it through a roundabout it tracks perfectly and laughs at you. As if to calmly say You call that fast? That’s all you’ve got?

I’ll try harder.

KirkyV > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 21:26

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You can control lift-off oversteer, just not in the same way as you do with power-oversteer in a RWD car. I’d hardly claim to be all that good at it, but it’s certainly possible to achieve different degrees of slide based on how you manage your momentum on the way into a corner. Just look at what this guy does:

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You definitely don’t feel like a passive participant in the process, and it’s plenty fun. A useful rallying technique, too, I’m given to understand.

KirkyV > pjhusa 01/11/2016 at 21:29

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dont b8 m8 bb8

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 21:50

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Oversteer in a FWD short wheelbase car is hilarious fun. And if you can’t drive through it, I’m sorry you suck. But you set the car up to shoot out of the corner, stomp the throttle, then let the front “wash out” into the proper line and take off thanks to your built boost. Sure it isn;t fast, but neither is RWD slides. It is EASIER to slide RWD. It is far from less fun to slide FWD.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 21:52

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Have you tried to control a drift in a non sporty RWD? Are you SURE a grand marquis or SC430 is meant to drift? Because I have to be honest, I’ve driven an 80s camaro set up for american sedan class racing..........it really lacks..........control. THe drift is fun like owning a lion is fun. But it lacks the ability to control it like an FR-S does. Or a 370Z. Or basically an actual performance RWD.

Nauraushaun > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/11/2016 at 22:19

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I’ve made ham-fisted attempts to slide a few 300ZXs, both Z31 and Z32. They aren’t so very different from the SC430 - both heavy cars, the SC430 probably with more of a luxury focus.

I put it to you that, if you’re struggling to handle sliding an inappropriate RWD car where steering and driving is handled independently, your problems will be twice as bad for a comparable FWD car.

Nauraushaun > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/11/2016 at 22:21

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Don’t tell me I suck. By “drive through it” I mean, accelerating kills the slide. If you want to keep it going you’ve got to get very active on the steering and handbrake, because driving out isn’t going to do it.

In a twitchy short wheel-base I’m sure it’s lots of fun. But if we’re talking about twitchy short wheel-bases, think how much fun it’d be if it were RWD.

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 22:22

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That looks like terrific fun, but I can imagine it’s only possible in very low-grip situations.

Nauraushaun > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 01/11/2016 at 22:23

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Sort of fun. But the moment you get back on the throttle, the fun is over.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 22:24

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I KNOW :(

Nauraushaun > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 01/11/2016 at 22:33

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rwd bruh

KirkyV > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 22:34

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Not if you’re in an old Peugeot like that one it’s not! They used to be pretty notorious for it.

KirkyV > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 22:38

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The 106 in that video I sent you is a base 1.1, like mine. Peugeot used to be renowned for their ability to make even their least ‘sporty’ cars massive fun to drive, with great handling and driver-feedback. A big part of why I’m even a car enthusiast is ‘cause my 106 taught me that driving can be fun.

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 22:49

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Well that’s awesome.

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 22:49

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Nissan once had a similar policy. le sigh

Sounds awesome. I’d love to have a drive. Any chance you live in Australia?

KirkyV > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 23:08

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Peugeot gave up on it quite a while ago, too, I’m sad to say.

And I’m over in dreary old England, I’m afraid. I think the 106, or at least its bigger brother the 306, were at least sold over there, though, so you might get the chance at some point.

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 23:22

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Nissan gave up in the 90s.

Those were popular in England. A very European car. We got all sorts, I’ve seen some 106s, some sporty ones too. They exist :) But they’re not common I’ll say that.

If I ever meet someone who owns one, I’ll beg for a drive.

KirkyV > Nauraushaun 01/11/2016 at 23:27

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Peugeot just about lasted through the nineties - in fact, that’s when they did a lot of their best work - but the 2000s were rough. Pretty much everything from the 206 onwards sucked, right up until 2013-ish. And even now, they’re still nowhere near as good as they used to be.

Nauraushaun > KirkyV 01/11/2016 at 23:39

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That’s when they made that dumb gaping face. And all those supercar concepts they never built. The 00s were bad for Peugeot.

Hopefully they can come back

Berang > Nauraushaun 01/12/2016 at 00:07

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Racers of RWD cars don’t powerslide around curves though. They do it pretty much the same way FF cars do it.

Notice the little Scandinavian flick before the turn. It’s pretty much the same way they’d have done it in any front wheel drive car.

Nauraushaun > Berang 01/12/2016 at 00:23

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Racing is a different beast, with a different set of reasons why RWD is better. If you want to turn while accelerating in a FWD car, the grip available for both actions is that of 2 tyres. For RWD it’s twice that, and the two actions do not directly affect each other.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nauraushaun 01/12/2016 at 01:03

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Accelerating alone is not “driving through it”. Controlling the slide is “driving through it”. Drift cars are RWD, yes, but they are also specialized and your stock RWD cars are, by anr large, incapable f holding a slide beyond one turn anyways. And I bet money there are plenty of half-assed RWD cars that will control like a sponge in the turns if you attempt to slide them to the point where I can outhandle them with a Mk2 GTI in a tail out slide. The drivetrain alone doesn’t make it possible to control and actually drive something.

In a RWD, it’d be VERY difficult to control something with a square wheelbase that’s short, and thus, very difficult to actually enjoy. I’ve slid V6 mustangs and they are decently fun with aftermarket suspension because they have a nice neutral zone. Same with the FR-S on stock tires. They are designed from day one with a bit of a safe buffer. Their wheelbase and setup give you that confidence. At least, it did for me. And they’re fun. Full stop. But you will never confuse a V6 90s stang with some sport suspension for a drift car.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Nauraushaun 01/12/2016 at 01:08

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Bad cars are bad cars. That’s my point. So using the worst examples of something to represent a point is false, IMO.

Oh and the Z31 is 800lbs lighter than the SC430. Z32 is about 600 lbs lighter. Plus both are far more likely to have stiff suspension and proper anti-roll bars. And more ridgidity. So to me they are “good” examples of a RWD car for performance. THe SC430 weighs almost 4000 lbs and is a metal folding roof convertible.......Not what I would want representing RWD and not what I would slide with.

In fact the Z31 with a LSD and some good suspension deisgn and a robust engine is easy to control a slide. My old fraternity brother had one and used to rallycross it. Good times. I recommend everyone to drive a nice beater 300zx.

Nauraushaun > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/12/2016 at 01:13

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You’re right. But I think a bad RWD is more fun than a bad FWD car. Just like a bad Mercedes is nicer than a bad Hyundai.

Oh sorry. I thought we were talking about the 400. You’re right, the 430 is much more of a pig.

I wasn’t much good with the Z31. I wasn’t much of a driver back then.